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		<title>The children of prejudice</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2011 11:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Discrimination can be an ugly thing. A friend of mine has this theory that you learn to discriminate from a very young age when you learn that your family and friends are more important than others. He uses the ethical dilemma that if faced with the choice to save a well respected doctor or a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Discrimination can be an ugly thing. A friend of mine has this theory that you learn to discriminate from a very young age when you learn that your family and friends are more important than others. He uses the ethical dilemma that if faced with the choice to save a well respected doctor or a member of your family with no such qualifications then most people would save their family member despite the doctor’s potential to go on and save many more lives. Perhaps discrimination is too strong a term for what conceivably could be put down to compassion and preference for those in our own <a href="http://www.butireaditinthepaper.co.uk/2011/02/16/multiculturalism-and-the-monkeysphere/" target="_blank">monkeysphere</a>. None-the-less it does raise an interesting point. Does discrimination start at home and how does this develop into full-blown racist, sexist or homophobic tendencies? I&#8217;m not saying that all racists raise racists or that there are no gay people out there with homophobic parents but it sure as hell can&#8217;t help. Dawkins touches on this idea when he talks about the <a href="http://richarddawkins.net/articles/118" target="_blank">religious indoctrination of children being a form of child abuse</a> and there&#8217;s an interesting debate to be had on whether indoctrination of racist or homophobic ideas are just as abusive as any religious ideology.</p>
<p>I was reminded of this when I read about a <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/feb/28/christian-couple-lose-care-case" target="_blank">recent high court case</a> that found that Eunice and Owen Johns were not discriminated against after being overlooked for fostering children after they told a social worker that they could not tell a child that homosexual behaviour was acceptable. They claim this was part of their religious beliefs and so being overlooked as part of these beliefs is a form of discrimination. Personally I find it hilarious that a couple are claiming they are being discriminated against because they cannot pass on their prejudice to another generation of children. Because that’s what the main issue is here. It has nothing to do with their religion and has everything to do with children being raised in an environment where they are taught it is not fair to discriminate against people for who they choose to shag.</p>
<p>It is frankly hypocritical that discrimination laws that are supposed to protect minorities are trying to be used by religious groups to protect their right to discriminate because it is part of their religion.  Eunice Johns, with no sense of irony argued;</p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #666699;">&#8220;We are extremely distressed at what the judges have ruled. All we wanted was to offer a loving home to a child in need <strong>(providing that child wasn’t gay)*</strong>, but because we are Christians with mainstream Christian views on sexual ethics <strong>(we think gays are the devils work)</strong>, we are apparently unsuitable. We are prepared to love and accept any child<strong> (providing that child isn’t gay)</strong>. All we were not willing to do was to tell a small child that the practice of homosexuality was a good thing. We feel excluded and that there is no place for us in society.&#8221;</span></p>
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<p>There is a place for them in society and that place is away from children where they cannot pass on their prejudice to another generation. The court summed it up perfectly when they ruled;</p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="color: #666699;">&#8220;No one is asserting that Christians (or, for that matter, Jews or Muslims) are not &#8216;fit and proper&#8217; persons to foster or adopt. No one is seeking to de-legitimise Christianity or any other faith or belief. On the contrary, it is fundamental to our law and our way of life that <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>everyone</strong></span>** is equal before the law and equal as a human being &#8230; entitled to dignity and respect.”</span></p>
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<h6>*Emboldened comments in brackets are mine.</h6>
<h6>**Emphasis mine</h6>
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		<title>Catholic Church apologise for lying while lying</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>uksceptic</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I’m getting tired of being lied to. It seems to me lately that large organisations blatantly lie to people, and it really does not surprise me when the newspapers set such a precedent of manipulating the truth. My eyes were opened somewhat to the fallibility of the press when I read Nick Davies ‘Flat Earth [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m getting tired of being lied to. It seems to me lately that large organisations blatantly lie to people, and it really does not surprise me when the newspapers set such a precedent of manipulating the truth. My eyes were opened somewhat to the fallibility of the press when I read <a href="http://www.flatearthnews.net/" target="_blank">Nick Davies ‘Flat Earth News’ </a>which investigated the mechanics of how newspapers are written and how that process leads to churnalism and inaccurate reporting. If you haven’t read it yet I suggest you do. Since reading Flat Earth News I became a regular reader of a fantastic blog called <a href="http://tabloid-watch.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">Tabloid Watch</a>. Every day this reports on the lies the papers (mainly the tabloids, although not always) print in order to manipulate their stories to suit the political opinion of the paper. This blog has no problems finding material to fill at least one blog post <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">every day</span></strong> and it chills me to think of the millions of people reading the material produced in these offending articles and accepting it as truth.</p>
<p>So what inspires this mini rant you ask; well who other than the Catholic Church.</p>
<p>The Catholic Church has been in the news today after Pope Benedict <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/17/pope-benedict-child-sex-abuse" target="_blank">wrote an open letter</a> to “help in the process of repentance, healing and renewal.” from the paedophilia revelations. This was done shortly after the head of the Catholic church in Ireland, Cardinal Sean Brady <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/17/catholic-apology-paedophile-priest" target="_blank">apologised for his role</a> in covering up the abuse allegations. All this comes across as a massive PR stunt by the Catholic Church to attempt to restore the public’s confidence in the archaic institution. If the Pope and his cronies really did regret the actions of its members then they might sack some of the people involved instead of protecting them, as in <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/mar/17/pope-benedict-cardinal-bernard-law" target="_blank">the case of Cardinal Bernard Law</a> who was given a job in Rome after accusations of child abuse. He is wanted by a grand jury; perhaps the Church thinks it is above secular morality where people are expected to pay for their sins with time in jail. I don’t. </p>
<p>This aside, the Catholic Church has a fundamental problem when it comes to trust because it is hard to trust an institution that, not only is built on a bed of lies, but that continues to lie in order to protect its perceived religious righteousness. Pope Benedict is well known for his <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/oct/09/aids" target="_blank">blatant lies about contraception and aids</a> and on the very day the Catholic Church is trying to make amends for raping children and covering it up a Catholic adoption charity <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/17/catholic-adoption-gay-parents" target="_blank">wins the right to discriminate against same sex couples</a>.</p>
<div id="attachment_473" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 330px"><a rel="attachment wp-att-473" href="http://scepticalbanter.com/2010/03/catholic-church-apologise-for-lying-while-lying/pope-benedict/"><img class="size-full wp-image-473" title="Pope Benedict" src="http://scepticalbanter.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Pope-Benedict.jpg" alt="Sorry about the rape, the homophobia and the aids; believe in Jesus! " width="320" height="407" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Sorry about the rape, the homophobia and the aids; Believe in Jesus! </p></div>
<p>Now whether you agree with same sex couples adopting children or not is not the issue I wish to raise here. Clearly the Catholic Church does not and has fought to support that opinion in court. What I do want to draw attention to is the lies; refusing to allow a couple to adopt on the basis of their sexuality is discrimination simple.</p>
<p>Not according to The Bishop of Leeds, Right Rev Arthur Roche, who said outside the court: &#8220;Our case has not been brought on an anti-gay agenda of any sort. We respect, and would not want to diminish, the dignity of any person.&#8221; But that’s exactly what they are doing! There is no other way of describing it; they are depriving same sex couples from having children on the basis of their sexuality and for no other reason. That is discrimination; that is an anti-gay agenda. Yet again a member of the church is blatantly lying, something isn’t so just because you say it is, although I realise this is the basis of faith. You can’t say you aren’t being homophobic while at the same time celebrating a victory in court that allows you to discriminate against homosexuals. You don’t get to say you respect the rights of all individuals when you are being prejudicial.</p>
<p>So the Catholic Church has lied about raping children, discriminating against homosexuals and contraception, thus condemning millions to die from aids, and they expect us to take their word for it when they say there is an omnipotent creator watching our every move and sorting us into heaven or hell. They better hope for their own sakes that they’re wrong.</p>
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